In researching tonight, can't really find anyone in the Norse Pantheon that fits. Surt fit the description of Uriel in some regards, and the Muspell could both be a hellish place or the ultimate realm of light and power. The description Uriel in Revelation chapter 10, fits also Surt. The Sons of Muspell might be considered terrible punishing spirits, but also as angels of living light and fire (Seraphim?).
Ymir, is a frost giant, not a good or holy being in the least. Surt is wrath personified, the great giant of fire. Again, there simply is not a first father figure, or even really a supreme mother like Nammu of Sumerian myths. Researching the Welsh, and not having much luck there either. There is a real element, that these peoples were governed by the Watchers/Fallen/Vanities from ancient times - much as the same deities ruled as the Olympians of Roman-Greek lore. Indeed, the Bible associated Zeus with Satan (Revelation 2:12-13) directly.
Anyway, Yahweh himself is very much the Great Warrior God in his own right, and can thereby be associated with the Red Sash.
I would add that the text of Norse mythology might be seen through the lens of ritual use of scandinavian magic mushroomn by a mystic living in a violent culture, surrounded by need and desperation due to barren lands and Vanity-worship. Surt and others might be colored by that. In regards to Muspelheim, I think of Zoroastrian Asha, fire of truth, that burns only those of lies. Asha is equivalent to Uriel I think.
@7elyonism7official I concur - it feels true at a deep level. Especially Surt's sword of light and guarding the way back to the first world (Muspelheim). The Light/Fire of God can illuminate or burn - it can be heaven or hell in a sense. The Christian sense of the Fire of the Holy Spirit enrapturing the believer but tormenting the unbeliever with the flames of conscience... The Spirit as the voice of conscience condemning us to bring about repentance, while comforting/soothing those who are the path of eternal life like a gentle mother.
After a quick round of online research it seems that many believe that Odin is the son of Bestla and Borr. Since this means he is not the first father, it would make him more related to Zeus and the Powers rather than a face of the one.
@B. (Gwenyver Not sure sis. I will have to research more. We include allot of First Fathers, but it's hard to find a decent mask/face in Nordic/Celtic/Welsh mythology - because there was so much war-god/bloodiness in it... much like the South & Central American deities (even cannibalism).
Do you think that Odin is a face of The One? Should we include this name as one of the facets?
There is a parallel, however, between the notion of Odin being hung upside down, and the notion of Samyaza of the book of Enoch... which makes me hesitant. Not to mention the bloody warlike nature of the Vikings - though, on the other hand, would be a fitting mask/aspect peculiar to a Black Robe/Red Sash.
I would say no. to Odin. If anything similar it is clouded behind a war God. And in the creation myth we can see a paralell to how the elders(trolls) where overthrown by the vanities(aesirs). The aesirs are also a result of the creatures of creation(a troll, a cow and a man that the cow licked out of a stone), so Odin is not a creator.
The Spirit spoke in reproof, and said, "I will judge them that call me Lord, not you." Ours is merely to discern, by our believed instructions, whom we shall let move our souls and participate in our union. If we see a man or woman plastering the world with their own image and getting rich from glorifying themselves, we can but say, "I recognize them for what they are," and move along.
Found this on amazon - ironic... Read the table of contents, seems like he either directly ripped off some of The Elyon's teachings (they've been out there a while), or came to similar conclusions.
Unity is the most important thing to shoot for in Urianism... Every monotheistic message before ours has been undermined by schisms. There's always someone who comes along who thinks they have a better interpretation, which often just means they water-down and cherry pick and actually create an entirely different version of the original teaching.
If we don't stay united, stay with the book's revelation............. Well, a moot point, as there are so few of us at this point, it matters little. We do need some new blood, with passion and guts. The members we have, including myself, are rather introverted sorts, who tend to be inward focused, and Urianism needs some of those outgoing passionate evangelical types - or we'll never grow.
A commune/monastery would be a great help as well, with an actual church, where we could gather and live as united family. I have this little house, not much room... Ideally, it would be a farm or ranch like place, where we would have the privacy to work our rites, and summon angels 😁, work on opening gates to other planes of existence!!!! Yeah!!! 😃
In researching tonight, can't really find anyone in the Norse Pantheon that fits. Surt fit the description of Uriel in some regards, and the Muspell could both be a hellish place or the ultimate realm of light and power. The description Uriel in Revelation chapter 10, fits also Surt. The Sons of Muspell might be considered terrible punishing spirits, but also as angels of living light and fire (Seraphim?).
Ymir, is a frost giant, not a good or holy being in the least. Surt is wrath personified, the great giant of fire. Again, there simply is not a first father figure, or even really a supreme mother like Nammu of Sumerian myths. Researching the Welsh, and not having much luck there either. There is a real element, that these peoples were governed by the Watchers/Fallen/Vanities from ancient times - much as the same deities ruled as the Olympians of Roman-Greek lore. Indeed, the Bible associated Zeus with Satan (Revelation 2:12-13) directly.
Anyway, Yahweh himself is very much the Great Warrior God in his own right, and can thereby be associated with the Red Sash.
After a quick round of online research it seems that many believe that Odin is the son of Bestla and Borr. Since this means he is not the first father, it would make him more related to Zeus and the Powers rather than a face of the one.
Do you think that Odin is a face of The One? Should we include this name as one of the facets?
There is a parallel, however, between the notion of Odin being hung upside down, and the notion of Samyaza of the book of Enoch... which makes me hesitant. Not to mention the bloody warlike nature of the Vikings - though, on the other hand, would be a fitting mask/aspect peculiar to a Black Robe/Red Sash.
List them as you please. 7 thunders, you know.
Malaika Sarakiel - anyone heard of this fellow?
Thanks to The Elyon, I always know a false prophet - because the glorify themselves, make it all about their image, glory, and enrichment.
Unity is the most important thing to shoot for in Urianism... Every monotheistic message before ours has been undermined by schisms. There's always someone who comes along who thinks they have a better interpretation, which often just means they water-down and cherry pick and actually create an entirely different version of the original teaching.
If we don't stay united, stay with the book's revelation............. Well, a moot point, as there are so few of us at this point, it matters little. We do need some new blood, with passion and guts. The members we have, including myself, are rather introverted sorts, who tend to be inward focused, and Urianism needs some of those outgoing passionate evangelical types - or we'll never grow.
A commune/monastery would be a great help as well, with an actual church, where we could gather and live as united family. I have this little house, not much room... Ideally, it would be a farm or ranch like place, where we would have the privacy to work our rites, and summon angels 😁, work on opening gates to other planes of existence!!!! Yeah!!! 😃
Welcome Blanka :)
Welcome!!! 😁