I've been trying to convert people of similar faiths and paths to Urianism online, and I found that these days the number of those who would be converting to Urianism (or at least accept us as a Friend of the Way) are dwindling. Here are a few of my experiences:
I found a Christian theocrat online who had the same thoughts as us on establishing a global theocracy. However, he believed that the ideal theocratic state should be feudalistic (he claimed that it was inspired by the Holy Roman Empire). Apart from that, there was virtually nothing I disagreed with him on, except for the obvious difference in our religious theologies. I tried to get him to at least accept Urians as faithful adherents of God. He responded with his interpretation of Jesus's quote that he was the only way to God. He thought that it meant that Christianity was the only way to God. I responded by telling him the Urian view of the quote, that what Jesus meant was the Way of Spirit and Truth (which he preached) was the only way, not just Christianity. I also talked to him about Arianism and Modalism, but he said that both were heresies and that Jesus "was an equal to God the Father". I tried to explain to him how Jesus said that "no one is good but God alone" and many other quotes saying that God is much greater than him, but he (the Christian that I was debating) just kept ignoring me and calling me a heretic. He also called me a pagan on many occasions. I tried to explain to him what pagans really were, and that Urians are basically the opposite of them, but he wouldn't listen. He kept accusing Urianism of being "just another one of those New Age hippie movements". I tried to explain to him that we were against the cultural liberalism, secular-humanism, and hedonism that hippies and New Agers propagated, but he still wouldn't listen to what I said to him.
Luckily, not all Christians I encountered online were like that. Most were willing to listen to me, and I actually became friends with one of them. He agreed with me that Abrahamic religion was inspired partly by Anuism and Zoroastrianism, and also knew the background behind the calling of Abraham by Anu. Although he wouldn't convert to Urianism, he can still be accepted by us as a "Friend of the Way". Unfortunately, those who were passionate in their visions of a Christian theocracy all basically point-blank rejected what I said to them (as how the Catholic and Orthodox churches rejected Islam). This really disappoints me, as we are in serious need of those who agree with the system of theocracy (most people think of the word "theocracy" as negative these days). It seems to me that those who are passionate are only open to those who agree with most (if not all) of their religious and theological doctrines, which is quite a burden to converting others to our faith.
I have actually found quite a lot of common ground with Muslims. We talked about how Christians just wouldn't accept those who worshipped God along with them, how they called us pagans, Satanists, or sometimes even both, how they view Urianism and Islamic theocracy on the same level as militant atheism, even though our objectives are literally the opposite. It seemed that those who had been rejected by fellow monotheists themselves were more likely to sympathize with Urians.
This surprised me quite a bit, but I found a lot of Anuists online. Unfortunately, most of those I encountered turned out to be deluded narcissistic spiritists with messiah complexes. I remember very well a conversation I had with one of them:
First, I showed him a recording of Raethan's "Hymn to Anu". He listened to it for a while and appeared to like it quite a lot. I explained to him that it was written and sung by a Urian priest, at which point he became curious in Urianism. I then familiarized him with the calling of our prophet Uriah. It was at this point that he began to show his messiah complex. He claimed that he was the son of Anu (he called himself an Annunaki) and that he was the real prophet Anu sent to save the world. I told him a few quotes from the Elyon, notably that a prophet is not one that claims to be a prophet, but one who shows their prophecy through will, word, and deed. He then said that he was going to preach his prophecy later on in his life, as he was still young. Since I knew it was pointless to argue with him on that further, I changed the topic. We talked about the influence of Anu in our lives, but then he started to talk about Annunaki worship and worship of Ki (which he called Nammu). I told him that Annunaki-style angel worship was strictly forbidden in Urianism, that beings lesser than Anu were only meant to be respected, not worshipped, that he was really worshipping the Vanities, that Ki is just the spirit of the Earth and was not unique in the universe, and was not meant to be worshipped, only cared for in order to preserve Avalon. I explained what the Vanities were, how they posed as gods in order to get mankind to worship them. At this point, he began insulting Uriah and calling him a demon and false prophet. I told him that he had a messiah complex. I told him about Special Child Syndrome, how it was dangerous and could lead to divine punishment. I especially told him that he needed to get his ego down and submit to Anu as a servant, and refrain from boasting about his so-called status as a "prophet". I told him that even if he was the human incarnation of an angel, he must not see it as an excuse to skip devotion to Anu and see himself as superior to all others. He then started saying that I was a demon who wanted to drain his spirit and prevent him from achieving his vision. I told him that I was not a demon, and I swore my allegiance to Anu, yet he still didn't believe me. He viewed me, as well as Uriah, as an "Antichrist" who had the sole purpose of destroying the vision of Anu's "true prophet". It was at this point that I knew for certain that he was just another deluded spiritist narcissist, and I knew it was pointless to talk to him any further.
I only posted my experiences on this forum to highlight the sheer disunity I experienced between people who would have otherwise sympathized with Urianism. Many of the people I talked to online were sincerely faithful to God, prayed every day, and genuinely wanted to establish God's kingdom on Earth, not for their selfish means, but because God told them to. Even right now, I still respect them. They are the kind that will go to Sandalphon's realm after death, which is indeed much better than having their souls devoured by the Vanities. Others, however, turned out to only be deluded spiritists who were obsessed with pumping up their already enormous egos, for whatever I said to them fell on deaf ears.
Do you have any similar experiences on attempting to convert others to the Way? Do you have any advice for what I could do in further conversations? I am very inexperienced in such matters, and would appreciate any and all advice.
May the Light be with you all.
Urianism is really the rebirth of an older sect:
We live in a time, when thinking and saying aloud that you disagree with a worldview that promotes
*the murder of babies (abortion even to the last trimester and even the last hour)
*the teaching of perversion to children as early as kindergarten
*segregation and racism (reverse racial hatred)
*lawlessness, gender confusion, and genital mutilation in the name of identity
-- this makes you a pariah and a potential criminal, a terrorist even... and you have to live in fear that government agents might beat down your door in the middle of the night for dissent against the normalization of absolute abomination and social/mental/political and spiritual anarchism.
This is a good start for a handout, rather than arguing or debating what you believe. If someone wants to discuss it, then be open and know your own scriptures well. To truly evangelize, you will need to know the Bible, the Quran, and The Elyon/Ahyeh -- and really see and know what your own path has to offer that is superior. Do you know what is better about our path, in comparison to those that have come before? It is for you to decide what those qualities are. If you are not fully convinced, you cannot hope to lead others to the path. The study of the arts of apologetics and rhetoric, debating strategies and tactics, are a good foundation for becoming a true evangelist of the Fire and Light of God.
Impressive Nephemitel! You show good oversight of the situation with these people. That is to your advantage!
You have come up against a wall that most of us here know all too well.
The truth I see from my experience is that there are several kinds of people you may find yourself interacting with in a religious/spiritual way.
Most of the people you meet to talk about such things are lukewarm. They have religion but no spirituality. Their lives are focused on the material life they live such as friends, family, jobs, politics etc. Religion is a garnish to their lives, like the 2.4 children, 1.5 dogs and 1/4 acre of lawn they mow every Saturday. Anything that falls outside the comfort of the scout badge called religion is to be ignored at best and most often shunned.
Another type is the zealot or believer who has already found the path they want and will only engage in conversation with you as an attempt to convert you. This can take the form of any religion, up to and including Atheism.
Others will talk to you with the understanding that it is nothing more than an intellectual exercise and has nothing to do with actual reality.
Then there are the seekers. These people are looking for their truth. Looking for that system or idea that resonates within them. They are your most probable convert. However, many of them are of a type that will not commit to anything and instead bounce into Urianism and bounce right out again. Push too hard and they fly.
The sad fact is that Spirit has told us that only 1% of1% ever make it out in any generation.
I would like, however, to tell you a little story about my past that is a bit relevant.
In my early 20s I went through rehab and substance abuse counseling. After a detox period and about 3 months of intense counseling and 12 step work I felt like I might have a chance at life again. I felt good physically, had been purged (somewhat) emotionally, and was learning how to surrender to and talk to God. It was at this time that I fell into a state called "Born again addict". I wanted to share the insights and tools that had worked to pull me up out of the pit. Every person I came in contact with was a target and I was quick to open the subject of addiction and recovery. I was met with failure, ridicule and socially relegated to the position of "crackpot".
I had to learn that I was not set up inside to evangelize.
You, my brother, have many signs of the evangelizer. It is not something everyone can do but it is something that Urianism needs to have.
My advice, and it is just advice, is to let those who are settled in their faith be settled. In those cases all you need to do is make the message available to them. If they are moved to explore it then all the better. You will learn to discern between the seeker and the recruiter in time. Save you energy for those who come looking for something they do not have rather than those who seek to press upon you what they already believe.
You are much admired here brother. I am praying for you continued health and success.
The House of One -- we're not the only ones working toward a Universal Monotheism.
You are making a great effort -- probably more than most who have ever trod this path... and that is very commendable indeed.
We do have the most in common Sufi Islam, though also Zoroastrianism. I tend to approach people with the term: Universal Gnostic Monotheism, or Universal Monotheist.
The problem is the time we live in, with the internet, it has turned everyone into their own professor -- because they can easily access sites with information, they think they are experts on any and all subjects.
Dominion Theology is a well established Christian teaching, rooted I would suppose all the way back to Emperor Constantine... Many Catholics have become increasingly Charismatic and Militarized, and I guess if I were Catholic, I would be as well. Just as, if I were a Muslim, I would probably believe in a Caliphate, and if I were a Jew I would be a Zionist.
In the new version of our work, unity between the monotheisms has been completely de-emphasized, if only because it is practically (pragmatically) unlikely. Those who are set and rooted in a belief system, are not open to new ideas, even as we who are truly Urian are not open to becoming anything but what we are. Our teachings allow us to be more open and ecumenical than most, and if someone is devoutly pursuing another monotheistic path they do not need ours to get to God.
You are a pioneer in this my friend, and are quickly showing yourself either an evangelizer (Red Sash) or a minister (Gold Sash), and in truth, we can learn from your experiences. You seem adept at writing, especially when you set yourself to doing a proper job of it. I would recommend creating a small study guide, that is easy to print up -- that emphasizes what you believe is important. Preaching, trying to convert people, is basically like being a salesman, and we have so much more competition than we used to have in the world (in those times when we were here before fighting this fight for other versions of this). In my own efforts at ministry, I've always been rather subtle, leaving copies of the book, or business cards, all over the place, quietly, discreetly. This does not work well, admittedly, though it is how Javier found our path, and he has brought his son and daughter into it (so it can work).
In a couple weeks (maybe three) the new pdf and actual book will be ready, and it can help with many of these things -- as it is more direct, smooth, authoritative, and rather militant (in spirit). In calling it, Ahyeh, the archangelic expression of Michael is more apparent within it.
In the end, those who are searching and wandering, are more likely to be open to this, than those who have already found and devoted themselves unto a strict path. We can but present our positions and ideas, make them available, and share them, and then let the seeds fall where they may. Do not debate, do not force, just confidently and with authority state your truth, and let it stand.
I am proud of you and thank God for your efforts, fellow Son of Heaven. Work steadily to master the training my brother and embrace your priesthood fully, working it to completion, that you may become more than words, but back them with your gifts (that will emerge more fully in the years ahead). In the fullness of your years, you will grow into powerful representative of The Way.
P.S.
Ironically, Urianism was originally called Anuism. Nammu and Ki were considered the same entity. We conflicted with the alien-annunaki crowd, because we did not believe the anunnaki were aliens (but trans-dimensional entities), and we conflicted with the neo-pagans (who worship the anunnaki) because we considered Anu the Supreme Being, and all his children as less than (subject unto or in rebellion against the Most High). Anu, for us, is synonymous with El Elyon of Canaan, who is synonymous with YHWH of Israel, Uranus of Roman-Greek mythology, and Allah of Islam. I would dare say, we started the Anuist faith (late 90s - 2005) -- I did not know it was still around (probably a different version?)... and certainly, we are what it became, as the Heavenly One sent us the Light of EL/Anu to guide us into what is now.
Note:
When we had our Google+ community, we had over a hundred members at one point, many of which were Muslim, but many who were rather New Agey.